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COGWRITER, Robert Thiel: 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect

16 NOV 09
UPDATE 

During the past two years I have approached Robert Thiel repeatedly as per Mat 18; over errors that he has printed about me. During those exchanges I have also warned him about relying on the traditions and prophecies of the pagans to support his personal opinions. The following Book Review was written on 23 Sept 09 and was written after all attempts at warning against this error had failed.

Upon seeing this review, he has attacked me with falsehood; claiming that I am just striking out because of personal frustration; saying that I had made a prediction that the abomination would be set up on 19 Oct and that my prediction had failed.

This is utterly and totally untrue. 

First: please note that I had written this review well BEFORE 19 Oct. Second: please note that he immediately attacked me instead of fulfilling his responsibility as per Mat 18. He did not communicate with me, instead he immediately launched a public attack by lying about me.  Third: I never said that anything would definitly happen on 19 Oct. I did say that 19 Oct would be the earliest date that something COULD happen, and I mentioned another possible date seven years later, as well.   This was in the article 2009 in Prophecy   That article has been left up, to demonstrate what I had actually said.  A new article reflecting an advance in understanding has been added to the site.  When Will The Tribulation  Begin? 

I am convinced that the tribulation could begin very soon and will do so, during the next few years.  It will begin when the scriptural signs are present.

Those who; like Robert, believe in a 3 1/2 years of peace, to be followed by 3 1/2 years of tribulation are relying on the false teachings of commandment hating pagans, which contradict the scriptures. For, it is written, that when they shall say "peace and safety"  sudden destruction will come. 1 Thes 5.  Sudden, immediate; NOT 3 1/2 years later.  

Please see our 70 Weeks Prophecy page  and the companion article on The Daily Sacrifice.

Relying on the teachings of commandment hating pagans is a recipe for personal disaster and it cuts one off from God.  God wants us to rely on Him alone Luk 4:8.  Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.  To rely on the teachings of the blind and spiritually ignorant, is an act of foolishness that will cause us all to fall into the ditch.  We must REPENT of this EVIL and turn back to our God with a WHOLE HEART.

The point that I made about Robert Thiel being a teacher of falsehood; is strongly enhanced by his contempt for the truth, in lying about me. And his refusal to follow the instructions of Jesus Christ and approach me in private with a rebuttal to my review.  In doing these things he has confirmed the opinion presented below.

I wish no ill toward this man.  It is my sincerest hope that he will turn from this error.  I believe that Robert has a potential to do much good. It is my hope that he will eventually fulfill that potential.

Robert Thiel: A False Prophet Unmasked  23 Sep 09

Robert Thiel’s new book:  2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect; has come out on 15 Sep 2009.  Here is the product description from Amazon.com:    http://www.amazon.com/2012-Rise-Secret-Sect-Thiel/dp/0984087109/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t   



Product Description


Thousands of years of writing are thought to predict world changing events. 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect unveils the truth behind the prophecies and shows which predictions are true and which are false.


It uniquely ties Mayan Apocalyptic writings with sources that have never before been tied together to prove the inevitable events of the next decade. 2012 and the Rise of Secret Sect includes Talmudic interpretations, Catholic prophecies, Hindu predictions, Islamic interpretations, Buddhist prophecies, Hopi traditions, the I Ching, Orthodox prophecies, the Bible, New Age hopes, Nostradamus, ancient Chinese prophecies, the opinions of scientists, and even prophecies related to Barack Obama.


COMMENT
It is quite clear that Robert Thiel who runs a blog at: cogwriter; has thrown the Bible into a blender with every pagan prophecy he could find and created an appalling atrocity against the word of God.   Robert tries to interpret the Bible prophecies by melding all this mishmash together.  Vainly leaning on the fevered imaginations of God defying men, he has gone very far astray.


There are those who become so infatuated with a belief in their own wisdom and are so proud of their supposed intelligence that they become fools regarding the things of God, for they do not rely on God to explain His own ways; instead they rely on their own imaginations and the imaginations of the heathen. Rom 1:21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Such an attempt to learn and apply the ways of the heathen; would be condemned by God's Word as Spiritual Adultery, for we are to rely ONLY on the Word of Almighty God and NOT on the traditions of the heathen, Jer 10: 1: Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 2: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven (which are used for prophesy); for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3: For the customs of the people are vain.

Robert is setting an ABSOLUTELY CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF COMMITTING SPIRITUAL ADULTERY WITH JEZEBEL. Rev 2:20: Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess (a false church teaching FALSE prophecy), to teach (falsehoods like the Primacy of Peter which Robert also teaches) and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (with other gods), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols (internalize false teachings). 21: And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22: Behold, I will cast her [Jezebel] into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her [I will cast] into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23: And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Any man who relies on extra biblical and especially on pagan religions for his understanding of any part of God's Word and teaches others to do so: IS A  FALSE PROPHET
; SO SAYS THE WORD OF GOD, Deu 13 the whole chapter.  He IS NOT TO BE RESPECTED OR TRUSTED. HE IS TO BE TREATED LIKE ANY OTHER FALSE PROPHET.


To interpret God’s word through pagan eyes; is to attempt to marry godliness with the doctrines of demons. God will not hold such people guiltless.

Poor Robert should quickly REPENT; before Almighty God brings down the penalty of a false prophet upon him.  Friends DO NOT depend on the prophecies of; Law rejecting, Commandment hating, Ignorant men: who are not subject to God and cannot know the things of God. They are blind to the truth of God; for they lack the Spirit that leads into all truth Joh 16:13. Do not depend on the teachings of false religions and the deceivers who use such teachings to entice you away from the Word of God.

This man should remember that any man who adds the teachings of the pagans to the word of God; will not be held guiltless. And any man who adds pagan teachings to the book of Revelation will suffer the plagues thereof. Revelation 22:18-19


This man is a member of the Living Church of God.  How long  will they tolerate this blasphemy in their midst?

21 OCT 09

Robert Thiel has just published a defense of his book, in which he justifies studying and applying the prophecies and beliefs of the heathen to the Word of God; by claiming that the Apostle Paul did so.

Did Paul really mix the teachings of the pagan religions with the Word of God?

In one place Paul quotes a Cretian poet;
 
Tit 1:12: One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13: This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.

Notice Paul does not quote false prophets or gods, or false religious beliefs; and Paul does not apply any false religion  to Christian doctrine.  Rather: in the context; Paul is correcting the Cretians for their laxness. And in doing so, mentions that even their own POETS (not false prophets or pagan priests) testifies that they are indeed lax.  Paul is not quoting about any DOCTRINE, he is quoting about the reputation of the people.

In another place Paul tells the Athenians that they are much too superstitious and then proceeds to teach them about a new and unknown God.

Acts 17:22  22: Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23: For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24: God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
 
Is Paul studying and teaching pagan doctrine and prophecy, or is he teaching true Christian Doctrine?

The fact is: that neither Paul, nor any other apostle, nor any Godly person: has ever accepted the teachings of the pagans and heathens about their prophecies, doctrines or religious teachings; and applied them to, or mixed them with the Word of God.

Anyone who says otherwise is either IGNORANT, or he is deliberately attempting to DECEIVE people.  And anyone who does mix paganism with God's Word; is a false prophet and a false teacher, regardless of whether he claims to be a prophet or not. Deu 13.  This behaviour is something that inspires revulsion in anyone who has the spirit of God: for what has light to do with darkness?.

For it is written: Mat 4:10: Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
 
For a clear discussion of this subject please see my Open Letter to Robert Thiel.

Friday, October 23, 2009

In today's post Robert Thiel makes the following admission.

THIEL POST

What he fails to recall is that the old Radio Church of God clearly taught that Catholic prophecies were something that true Christians should have knowledge of.


On pages 9-12 of the April 1961 issue of the Good News was an article by David Jon Hill titled Christ or Antichrist?. The old Good News magazine article specifically quotes and explains some of the very same Catholic prophecies and mystics that are in my book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.  Since I believe that James Malm used to have a WCG/COG background, he appears ignorant of the fact that I am simply continuing a practice that Paul first began that the old Radio Church of God continued.  Furthermore, by relating prophecies to world events (which I have done with 2012 and reports from scientists) the late Herbert W. Armstrong personally tried to reach broad segments of society which I am also trying to do.

My RESPONSE

First; Paul did not begin the practice of studying the ways of the heathen and applying them to the word of God, nor did he do any such thing. This is a deliberate falsehood. in a pathetic attempt to justify sin.  Second; to do so is foolishness; for spiritual things are spiritually discerned.  Those who do not keep all of God's commandments CANNOT possibly understand the things of God.  So why study lies?  Third;  Bob will not tell you this, but HWA made literally dozens of prophecies that failed "in the name of the Lord", Deu 18. Often thundering that "I tell you in the name of Almighty God that Christ WILL come to stop Hitler", or many similar things. If HWA made so many failed prophecies (literally dozens of failed prophecies; by relying on Catholic prophecy ,instead of God's Word).  Why should we follow other men's mistakes?  We should learn from their mistakes and avoid falling into the same trap.


Through the ages, the faithfull have been tried and tested many times. As each generation passes and a new generation rises up; it becomes necessary for the new persons to learn God's ways and to be tried and tested regarding their faith. 

At this time we are arriving at the end of; the age of man without God; and are preparing for the establishment of the Kingdom of God at the coming of his Christ. For the most part the Called Out have become Laodicean in attitude and outlook.  ALL of the major organized Coporate Groups have adopted the attitude that: I am rich and increased with klnowledge, no one can tell me anything.  They have all become self righteous.

The true pillars are scattered throughout these Groups and standing independantly.  A pillar must have the ability to stand alone and the strength to help hold up other parts of the structure.  A true pillar always stands on a solid foundation. The foundation of the Philadelphian pillar is: The Word of God.  They put God and his Word; FIRST. At all times and no matter what anyone else says or thinks. 

The Laodicean puts the traditions of his Group first. He stands on what his Group has traditionally taught and does not stand solidly on the Word of God.  He thiniks that his Group has a corner on all knowledge and cannot believe that his own group could contain any error.  When he is confronted with a possible error he quotes his leader or even terns to the traditions of the pagan religions for his support.  He may take some scripture, but will not accept it when other scriptures are put together with his; demonstrating him to be wrong.

The traditional view that the 70 Weeks Prophecy {held by Robert and many COG Groups} means that the false prophet will establish a peace treaty with the Jews (Israel) allowing for a beginning of animal sacrifices and 3 1/2 years of peace is embraced with fanatic faith.  This in spite of the fact that such a belief is decades old and that the prophicies were sealed until the very end; and also in spite of the fact that the scriptures tell us that when Peace and Safety is declared; SUDDEN destruction will come; SUDDENLY, IMEDIATELY, AT THAT TIME; NOT 3 1/2 YEARS LATER!!! 1 Thess 5.

Much has been sealed until this end time. Much has also not been understood because people have not been grounded in SOUND DOCTRINE.  The Sacrificial System has not been understood because it has not been studied.  The Daily Sacrifice is not understood because the sacrificial system is not understood.  The 70th Week is not understood because the Daily sacrifice is not understood.  And so these things snowball.

Very soon, God is going to TEST his Called Out.  He is going to sift out his pillars from his Laodiceans.  He is going to take his pillars to a place prepared of God, Rev 12:13: And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14: And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

How are these people to be separated? How are the pillars to be taken and the Laodicean left?  The GREAT TEST will be very simple; it will be a test as to whether people will cling to their traditions or whether they will believe the Word of God.  Will they stand on their traditions?  Will they stand on what they were told by someone writing decades ago?  Or: will they study the Word of God, to become approved by God?  Will they be willing to admit that they do not know all things? Will they receive the truth with gladness? 

When the time comes and God's two prophets reveal that it is time to go; when the scriptural signs are there; (list of signs) and the warning is given.  The big test will be: Will they stand on God's Word or on their traditions; like the Pharisees who were destroyed in 70 AD?

True safety lies in standing upon the Word of God; not on our traditions or the teachings of some beloved leader.  Yes: There is a place of physical safety!!!  To get there: We MUST put God and His Word FIRST: before and above our traditions and pet beliefs. We MUST be willing to accept proven truth with gladness; instead of emotionally rejecting it because it does not fit in with our beloved traditions.  Ultimately: What do we love: God's Word or our tradition? Who do we love: God or some man? THAT WILL BE THE TEST

Brethren: this is NOT some game; this is FOR REAL.  God wants to know who he can trust with the leading offices in his kingdom.  He needs to KNOW who he can trust and rely upon.  This test is NOT about physical safety alone; it is about qualifying for eternal rewards. The deception of relying on our traditions is VERY STRONGThe only way to overcome is to ALWAYS PUT GOD FIRST; IN ALL THINGS. 

I began this warning in 2007. I have never said that any year would be THE YEAR. I thought that things were looking close in 08 and 09. But I always said: IF, MAYBE, POSSIBLY, THIS IS THE SOONEST POSSIBLE TIME.  I have NEVER published that some date was the REAL TRUE DEFINITE DATE.  Whenever the true date comes: All the Biblical signs WILL be there.  At that time the GREAT TEST will take place.  Study, learn, prove  what is true; and make yourself ready.  Do not make this coming decision in ignorance, get informed.  Whatever you decide, do it with a clear conscience that you have proved the matter out. BELIEVE GOD'S WORD and NOT THE TEACHINGS OF COMMANDMENT REJECTING MEN!!!